CBS Edits McCain's Whopper Out of Broadcast

I actually have an article here that shows a short but realitively full history of the group.

I think that's only partly accurate. As an MP in Karbala (2003) we would run across information from time to time about "the awakening" It was not referred to as a council of any type at that time. Probably truly became the Awakening Council in 2006, but it's lineage would seem to go back further to a time where it wasn't truly as well organized.

It would make sense that they would have an unorganized kind pretty early on. Though awakening it's self is the name of the organization Sahawah loosely translates to awakening.

Agree, same with Obama.

Ya know, this seemed to be a pretty good post, but I got lost (2 -3 times) trying to read it because it is too long a post to have NO PARAGRAPHS!

Many authors on Newvine do this, and it is annoying, because you find the comment interesting, but it's just too dificult to follow without the authors thoughts broken up into paragraphs. I know it's not just me, because I have seen others remark about the same thing.

Please don't take offense zennhead, it's not your comment I'm critisizing, just your technique.

The human mind makes decisions on the Ratio of 80% subjective (nice guy, sound good, great teeth(!), etc etc), and 20% on logic. Its why Sales people are successful, and why you will find by in large the gregarious ones are successful.

Whilst there is always facts re issues, that's clear on anything, the basic judgement criteria are not so much on stance and facts, more on "can I trust this guy - can I do business with him". If an individual is in the same ball park of believes, then we move on to judge the character. For the moment the detail of those beliefs are not the main issue.

When a President deals with (whoever) the first call the other person makes - like the prospect/saleman is: "do I trust this guy, can I do business with him, it is reasonable, personable, flexible, considers all factors, accesses, honest, diligent, loyal, integrity ..... etc". The other person will form a view, and if yes, get together to talk more.

You are now President of [whoever], you see McCain do this not once, but several times, each time changing to the opinion Poll view. Do you trust him? The answer is plain when looking at the Polls of Leaders around the world - they say No. They will not get past first base, they will never get to know the real McCain - whatever that is - because they don't trust him. That means he becomes isolated and impotent. Before you even Start to discuss issues, he's lost it.

That's the real point behind all this. Issues matter of course, but the Real question most want answering - particularly World Leaders - is - do I trust this guy?

If he keeps changing like this on screen, whats he going to do in negotiation. Deduction, they, and many others, just don't trust an individual who is blatantly applying for a job, not showing his credentials either as a World Leader, or as the domestic Leader. Therefore issues will never get aired, they will ignore him or at best just smile at him.

Until he does sort out this intangible, McCain is sunk, period.

Very interesting insight David (and nicely pagraphed)

Trust is not the only thing that is sinking McCaintremember.

Oboma is an overwhelmingly powerful candidate. His mystique and charisma generates excitement and enthusiasm that has not been seen since the days of JFK.

Never in the history of American politics has any American politician amassed a crowd of 200,000, excited, cheering, flag waving people anywhere. He did it in Germany! (they don't even vote in our elections)

Come the end of the summer, when this campaign kicks into high gear, Obamas' strategy, tactics, rousing speeches, and wild cheering crowds combined with his enthusiasm and youthful dynamics will overcome anything McCaintrember does in an attempt to gain traction.

It may tun out to close in the end but, the only thing McCainrember has going for him is the Solid Right wing that would vote for Micky Mouse as long as he was on the Republican ticket.

Where is the FCC on this?

The FCC is right where they belong, out of our newsrooms.

The 1st Amendment guarantees the "Freedom of the Press". That means the government must stay out of the editing rooms of our newspapers and broadcast stations. Although I do not, for one minute, think it was right for CBS to edit McCains comments out of that broadcast, I will defend forever, their Right to do it.

The FCC has the responsibility of monitoring the "airwaves" against the use of profanity and obscene material. They oversee the licencing of all broadcasters (even CB & "walkie - talkie" users) and they assign frequencies to Broadcasters, But, they cannot tell a Broadcaster what to, or what not to Broadcast.

I like it, "Obamacon" is what I am and identify with memory problems from a TBI. lol
And old age too.

That is a possibility. I was a nurse for 24 years and did a great deal of work with Alzheimer's patients. Family after family told me they had no idea there was a problem until their loved one suddenly became physically violent without any provocation when they had previously been very well restrained, peaceable people. The same thing happened with my great aunt. Childless, she adored my grandpa like her own child. Then one day as they were leaving her home after having dinner, she got a blank stare and co-cocked my skinny, bony little grandpa right off the porch into the hedge. That's when the family knew something was very wrong. Many families told me that on the job, co-workers had noticed problems years earlier (forgetfulness, etc.) but were covering for the patient with the boss and assumed the family had seen the same things happening at home so never contacted the family about it. TIAs can cause memory lapses too. In my case, it seems to be just good old-fashioned senility, LOL!

No, he just speaks unscripted more often then Obama.

If you measure the relative amount of time spent NOT reading off of a teleprompter, McCain gaffes less often then Obama.

Perhaps that's why Obama has become the "Candidate in the Bubble", in that his campaign will no longer let him talk to anyone real...

As for media coverage of one versus another, the media tends to report the gaffes that reinforce the conventional wisdom about either candidate. McCain gaffes that seem like senior moments get reported, Obama's inexperience gaffes get reported. Anything else they just ignore.

No, he just speaks unscripted more often then Obama.

Its easy to throw out assertions. Did you just make that up on your own or pick it up somewhere?

What Obama gaffes are you talking about? McCains mistatements whether they be about non-existent border between Iraq and Pakistan or Iraq being the first major conflict since 9/11 or the gaffe here are being soft pedled or even edited out alltother. Whether his mistatements are due to senior moments, just being wrong or not knowing what he is talking about is not clearly established.

NBC and MSNBC is where it's at. Well run company as I have small retirement from GE aircraft engine.

MSNBC is funny. I'll give you that. It's certainly far less bias then fox. Catch Dan Abrhams if you want to give it a shot Phoenix. The man is adorable, hilarious and is quite honestly able to see things from both directions or atleast let's his guest rant from both sides of the aisle enough to get their points across. lol. The only down side is MSNBC has practically zero news coverage on weekends. I have no idea why. I've emailed 'em about it. They're always playing these lame NBC investigates shows saturday and sunday. :P CNN ain't that bad though. If you love politics there is always CSPAN. lol!

I don't give a rats which organisation does this - its very easy, unfortunately, to come up with other examples. None of them detract from the idiocy and sheer complicity that occurred, they are equally stupid and reprehensible.

The discussion on this should not be mired in personal political preference or tired bias towards one station or another. The principles involved in this are far too serious for such narrow thoughts that are put out by many.

The first step to hurting a network for doing such an atrocity is to get 'em where it hurts and ratings mean money. If they lose enough people over it they won't try it again so this sort of thing is very important.

I use to watch fox as well just to see how they spin things or what the right may be thinking but now that I've found them to be not only racist but also reporting exactly what the government wants them to report they way they want it reported I'm afraid I've been having to boycot them as well.

Newsvine is a right conservative powered forum, correct?

Not correct.

It could be your perceptive, the farther to the Left you are, the more people you will view as "Conservative", including the Moderates.

It is the same for the Conservatives, if you are not firmly planted in the Far Right column, they think you are a "Flaming Liberal."

It all works out however, basically, in my opinion, the Vine is pretty well balanced.

If you look at the Seeds, you will see that the input is pretty much equal from both sides.

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Ok, I just wanted to know, there just seemed to be a hate fest going on at another thread. I think also that positive stories about Obama draw Obama hate, and positive stories about McCain draws McCain hate. Thanks for the clarification. =)

Well, I just wanted to know because I went on at another story to just be happy about something and had a... well a new opening ripped. You know how that goes. I wasn't gloating or anything. I thought if America comes out looking good, that is good for everyone, but I found out not if "certain" sides do it. I like it when we all win, when we all get ahead. You know what I mean? So I thought for a minute that I might be in the wrong place... that's all. I guess there is about a dozen ways to look at one thing. sigh

Don't get me wrong though - I joined in the battle once it begun - I don't like that about me. haha

;-) In the interest of increasing my understanding of basic physics, do the people who are neither on the left, in the center, or on the right simply hover around overhead of the rest of us? It's a bird!...No, It's a plane!... Look! It's Super-Neutral!

**I'm teasing atsidiwashichu** I really need to get that cuppa joe. I get slap-happy this time of morning without it.

I really don't know where to classify my political views. Some are somewhere off to the right of Attila the Hun and some are to the left of Karl Marx. The only party around right now that I seem to agree with (mostly) are the libertarians. I really don't care so much about which party is saying what, but what is it they are saying. This country is in a lot of trouble and we need to be looking at things that will work, what it the pragmatic thing to do. Maybe we need a new set of labels so people won't shut down their mind every time someone outside of their sphere says something.

In the end we will probably pick candidate O or candidate M, step back hold our breath and hope for the best. It's all a crap shoot, and some times it comes up winner even if the odds are against us.